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Post by LoC_Woodswalker on Jan 20, 2010 11:55:40 GMT -5
The fark was first released by Cavedog as a public relations strategy to entice more new players to remain playing the game. At the time most veteran players would play core, and most new players played arm. The public relations strategy was designed to give arm an advantage by design, in hopes of retaining more new players, at the time thousands of new players were arriving but few were remaining, almost each day. They were losing more new players than they were keeping. Cavedog had always planned on balancing the arm designed advantage by eventually releasing core and arm equivalents to the fark, fibber, leviathan, Krogoth, and others; while their scheduled release dates was never able to be achieved because of the closing down of Cavedog by selling out to Atari. In the present this point of information has either been forgotten, or just ignored through shear ignorance. In addition when Cavedog closed soon after the recorder became a dominant force in the evolution of the game, many players who were already ticked off by the buying of Cavedog left the game because they felt the recorders features warped the integrity of the game, for example, the drag and click, raising unit limit up to 1500, and auto build base features. When unit limit was at 250 a player had to weigh resource production vs. unit production, a concept which has been lost or not even known to most modern day ta players. For example, it was common after you built your first fusion to go and eat all your windmills and solar’s so you could have enough units to attack with. In addition it is almost forgotten at sites like ten, mplayer and others for a game to be considered ranked you would have to play on unmapped; a feature that makes early bombing without scouting near impossible. What we have today is not ota, nor is it anywhere to where Cavedog would have intended it to be, what we have today is a blasphemy to the integrity of the origins of the game, and those who were around at the beginning who now have accepted the norm meth production centered strats should be ashamed they have sold out and never stepped up to try to at least finish what Cavedog had started.
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Post by retard0h on Jan 20, 2010 11:58:53 GMT -5
dont care, you dick eating nigger
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Post by TAG_Venom on Jan 20, 2010 12:00:59 GMT -5
tl;dr
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Post by LoC_Woodswalker on Jan 20, 2010 12:35:44 GMT -5
I believe it is quite ironic the first two people to reply to this thread are the same two people who together I personally witnessed run hundreds of people away from the game. I have never understood why some people hide behind their keyboards with their ignorant self-perceived macho-isms. As an x-marine I would fully welcome either of you, to come and knock on my door. I am very confident I could force you to come to a better understanding in the proper way to speak with respect to others.  |
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Post by LoC_Boogieman on Jan 20, 2010 12:51:40 GMT -5
Watch it! Woodwalker captured a Russian bazooka while fighting in Afghanistan, where he got the name from his fellow soldiers! By the way Ven I'm curious, are those ancient Nigerian caveman hieroglyphs? It seems a brit would be able to speak English. Grunts, farts, and whistles dont count. ;D
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Post by Andrew on Jan 20, 2010 13:39:48 GMT -5
Pacer please delete this bullshit
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Post by TAG_Venom on Jan 20, 2010 14:02:56 GMT -5
I believe it is quite ironic the first two people to reply to this thread are the same two people who together I personally witnessed run hundreds of people away from the game. I have never understood why some people hide behind their keyboards with their ignorant self-perceived macho-isms. As an x-marine I would fully welcome either of you, to come and knock on my door. I am very confident I could force you to come to a better understanding in the proper way to speak with respect to others. As an ex marine, ex pro bodybuilder, ex street fighter, ex UFC Heavyweight champion and ex World's Strongest Man, I'd knock you out, then your dad. Then bench press your mum. |
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Post by LoC_Boogieman on Jan 20, 2010 15:54:01 GMT -5
It says you can post anything here Andrew. If we are going to start deleting posts where it says "you can post anything here", I'm pretty sure there are other posts which should be deleted. Like "Australia on fire" and anything that venom or vapor has responded to.
Now for Ven.. Thanx for translating those hieroglyphs. Woodswalker's bazooka is a real life dgun tho. So good luck!
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Post by FFAxPostal on Jan 20, 2010 18:02:33 GMT -5
As an ex marine, ex pro bodybuilder, ex street fighter, ex UFC Heavyweight champion and ex World's Strongest Man, I'd knock you out, then your dad. Then bench press your mum. ^This post owns. Woodswalker, your first post is pretty far off the mark. Regardless of the unit limit, players still have to weigh resource production vs. unit production. This concept has never been lost. The orignal game came with some pretty lousy maps as well. Poorly balanced for multiplayer, and a drag for even skirmishes. If anything this is great evidence that Cavedog, even in thier brilliance, had no idea what they were doing. Honestly, its quite remarkable that such third party modifications have become so widely accepted. In many other games things like this don't really catch on, with the devs babysitting every level of testing. So even though we proclaim the Mantra of Original Total Annihilation, we're playing a mod of sorts. Still, it's better than the original. Boneyards Galactic war games were played with maps mapped. This allows players to devote more time to developing strategies, rather than memorizing positions on maps. This is an option of the game that makes it more fast paced, and more enjoyable. TA removed the annoying parts about playing RTS, and left us with the best of it. Tacking on things like an increased unit patch and the recorder simply completed the package. |
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Post by Andrew on Jan 21, 2010 1:09:05 GMT -5
Boogieman do you not see? Woodswalker is like the worst player ive seen play the game in all my time on here... it's like some retard who just picked up a club telling tiger woods how to play golf..
Also, a recorder is in every other real time strategy game, its a necessity. It's just back when TA was made they hadn't thought of it or hadnt got the means to make it...and 250 unit limit was just cos comps were too shit to play any more than that back then and nothing more.
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Post by LoC_Boogieman on Jan 21, 2010 15:29:22 GMT -5
I have not advocated anything Woodwalker has said here. Matter of fact he and I had a disagreement about it similar to the ones making sober analysis of it including you andrew. I do think the man has a right to say his opinion in a forum that allows you to say anything so this is my only beef with your former statement. I also tend to believe he makes at least a couple of good points, especially the ones reguarding why many people left the game.. I.E. Ven, Vapor, other noob bashers, and the fact that many people considered the recorder a trainer. But I also agree that most modern games have this feature included.
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Post by LoC_Woodswalker on Jan 21, 2010 16:51:42 GMT -5
One: Venom I’ll send you my address, and will gladly await your arrival. You can be all you can be; but I am one of the few and proud; who can honestly say I have never lost a physical scuffle in my life. I was online the first day you ever came to ta; and yes Andrew too many I may be known as one the worse players; but in ta you Venom are known as one of the biggest asses in the game, I have dealt with many of your kind before in my life, and everyone has always left my presence with a little more than they had came with. Two: Andrew, many people have many different reasons for playing this game. Some believe it or not just play because its fun, others play to win, however there are many more reasons to everything under the face of the sun than just the obvious. I play to just stay in contact with my many friends I have met through the years in playing ta, and yes all but one is better than me at playing this game. But so what? As could any of those friends could attest to (who I have probably played thousands of games since my first online game at TEN), there is always that one out of hundred that I will beat them, and to me that one game is worth more than the other 99 my friends may have won. In addition, all my three boys play this game online and my cousin; who all live in different parts of the country. My oldest boy has played this game since he was 12, he will be 22 this year, and he could play right alongside any freak here. So I play for the chance to share good times playing a fun game with my friends and family, even though the only regular I could ever say that has never beaten me is Card, and ya know what I don’t care, why do you? Three: Postal thanks for an articulate rebuttal to my statement. You say even at the 1500 unit patch you can still have a resource vs. unit build philosophy? Well, maybe I should tell you what inspired me to write this post Postal.  . I was bored one day watching some old tads, way back old ones even some old ones taken at lan parties and stuff. Well I had finally figured a way to get this computer station at my networked house to host games again on ta (for some reason only one computer would host here), anyways I decided to go host a game. Was one of those nights and my game quickly filled up to 9 players. All the usual freaks in some fashion or another were there don’t believe I should have to recall all their names for my point. But they all wanted to play, and there were about half in there who were not just a little better than me but way better than me, so I decided to tell them I’ll just watch so they could play. When I watched one person build 3 adv kbot labs with just a pile of farks sitting in front of each one just for their metal and energy, unit limit was around 700, and he starts complaining he needs more units to supply his meth farked out adv air factories; I thought back to those early tads I had watched and I thought: what the hell has this game came to be? Four: Boogie if I and you were not arguing about something life would not offer me any fun anymore! |
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Post by FiN_Tiptushi on Jan 21, 2010 17:12:07 GMT -5
I must be out of my mind commenting on this...
Original post of woods: There are 2 very simple and easy solutions to your problem:
1) Make a mod and get ppls playing it if u can, if its good idea, you will have them
2) Host game with special rules, if its good idea, ppls will play with you the right and only way.
But as we all know, point over here has never been to find any working solution but to have pointless arguments so here we go:
Loc_woodswalker: "but I am one of the few and proud; who can honestly say I have never lost a physical scuffle in my life."
- Are u drunk mate?
God bless amerika and amerikan marines and no place else!
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Post by locmachine on Jan 21, 2010 23:23:25 GMT -5
Ta's first unit limit was 200 , not 250.
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Post by Andrew on Jan 22, 2010 3:05:57 GMT -5
Two: Andrew, many people have many different reasons for playing this game. Some believe it or not just play because its fun, others play to win, however there are many more reasons to everything under the face of the sun than just the obvious. I play to just stay in contact with my many friends I have met through the years in playing ta, and yes all but one is better than me at playing this game. But so what? As could any of those friends could attest to (who I have probably played thousands of games since my first online game at TEN), there is always that one out of hundred that I will beat them, and to me that one game is worth more than the other 99 my friends may have won. In addition, all my three boys play this game online and my cousin; who all live in different parts of the country. My oldest boy has played this game since he was 12, he will be 22 this year, and he could play right alongside any freak here. So I play for the chance to share good times playing a fun game with my friends and family, even though the only regular I could ever say that has never beaten me is Card, and ya know what I don’t care, why do you? That's all fine and dandy buddy. You can make posts about how fun the game is and why you play it blah.. and I wouldn't open my mouth. But if you make a post regarding strategy & gameplay etc then expect to be slated and ridiculed. I know I sure as well would expect to be if I posted such nonsense as you did in your first post about a game I didn't know much about. |
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. I was bored one day watching some old tads, way back old ones even some old ones taken at lan parties and stuff. Well I had finally figured a way to get this computer station at my networked house to host games again on ta (for some reason only one computer would host here), anyways I decided to go host a game. Was one of those nights and my game quickly filled up to 9 players. All the usual freaks in some fashion or another were there don’t believe I should have to recall all their names for my point. But they all wanted to play, and there were about half in there who were not just a little better than me but way better than me, so I decided to tell them I’ll just watch so they could play. When I watched one person build 3 adv kbot labs with just a pile of farks sitting in front of each one just for their metal and energy, unit limit was around 700, and he starts complaining he needs more units to supply his meth farked out adv air factories; I thought back to those early tads I had watched and I thought: what the hell has this game came to be?