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Post by PRO_-|[Muffy]|-_ on Sept 12, 2006 17:36:29 GMT -5
Spring is the engine. It's a harness. You load mods into it, and maps. The engine itself is being upgraded all the time, unlike TA in which its stuck at a standstill. Playing 4 years of GOW2 is not my idea of ultimate strategy, and tbh I also hated Spring when I started because I assumed it was meant to be something it wasn't. TA is very different in a lot of respects, but Spring has a lot of features that the original TA didn't have. I'm very unhappy with the fact that noone has brought out a true OTA mod, and I'll agree with you there. If you think that winning in Spring is about amassing gators and light laser turrets well... firstly rockos outrange LLTs if you use them correctly, and secondly 1 mav owns > 10 gators. Go figure. Theres more to just the AA mod than that. In addition Spring allows you to reclaim areas of wreckage, unlike TA where you have to set construction units to patrol and they end up repairing some random rocko until its travelled across the whole map to the front line of the battle where it gets killed. You can give units orders while they're still in the build queue. You get to see your clicks per minute and commands per minute at the end of the game. You actually get to compare stats with your opposition, not just your strategy. Thing is, you guys as much as you are assholes you also are good players. I'll give you that Ven, ur one of the best OTA players as much as you talk wank half the time. I could say the same for a couple of you others. One of the things you learn about TA is that it gives you transferrable skills. You learn not just to sit in a corner. If you're good at TA you'll be good at (a few) of the mods Spring offers. Give it a chance and what you'll find is that instead of being the best of a group of about 10 or so top TA players, you'll be one of the top 400/500 Spring players. And in addition, theres a community out there that's growing - not shrinking. So you gonna tell me that you don't care and I need to get a life? I don't care. I haven't given up TA. If you think that Supreme Commander will be identical to TA in every way then you'll be sorely disappointed in the same way I thought Spring was going to be every bit like TA. So what, you want to be one of the best in a community of about 40 people of which 10 care? Or do you want to be one of the undisputed best in a community of about 500? Your choice.
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Post by retard0h on Sept 13, 2006 1:22:07 GMT -5
i agree with a lot of that, but im going to point out some shit you didn't think of.
1) maybe in AA 1 mav owns 10 gators, but i also know that in AA it still takes time to get tech 2, so while you jerk off thinking of your maverick i would have multiples of 10 gators running all over you by then, and not just me im totally newbie at the mod cause its dumb, but what i was arguing was that nothing has changed. its just a slight reversal. i saw andy play pretty much exact same and crush Woody by just making gators and laser towers. This also goes for the "best" player dream/doom/walker i can't remember it, i saw him do exact same shit.
2) i have played TA where i clicked like a machine at super speed but i still lost to someone who played smarter and clicked like they were contemplating a dank road apple. point is, that stat thing doesn't mean shit. so what if you right click left click a billion times or cycle group commands as fast as the keyboard can recognize it. if you won the fucking game you outplayed your opponent no matter how "fast they clicked"
3) i'd rather be a good player in a small group FULL of good players than be a King amongst elbow lickers, ear biters, and gandalf.
is OTA Spring so similiar that the shit eating newbies still can't grasp the game? what the fuck is the point of AA except to bonker up a game for intelligent people?
nobody is arguing that it doesn't have a huge player base muffy, or that AA = Spring. so far nobody has a good reply countering what i've said before, atleast take the fucking time and respond to each point so you dont look like sirensong in my view.
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Post by PRO_-|[Muffy]|-_ on Sept 13, 2006 12:32:39 GMT -5
1) maybe in AA 1 mav owns 10 gators, but i also know that in AA it still takes time to get tech 2, so while you jerk off thinking of your maverick i would have multiples of 10 gators running all over you by then, and not just me im totally newbie at the mod cause its dumb, but what i was arguing was that nothing has changed. its just a slight reversal. i saw andy play pretty much exact same and crush Woody by just making gators and laser towers. This also goes for the "best" player dream/doom/walker i can't remember it, i saw him do exact same shit. Then you need to see a few more games. I played a 3-way round robin (before you ask, its where each of us plays the other) with Daywalker and rAndy the other day and it wasn't just your usual gators FTW. In one game I was pwnd by rAndy airlifting his comm up to my base and making a quick getaway in an Atlas. Daywalker got me with rockos. Maybe you haven't seen a long enough game between those two? Maybe you didn't see the tournament final a few weeks back with Silencer vs rAndy where one was Arm, the other Core. Daywalker got knocked out first round. They also had adv air and tech 1 sea. Silencer's gollies were eating Andy's mavs alive. Sil's air was only jsut holding off Andy's sea. There was fighting on about 3 fronts at one time. That was an entertaining game, and the 16 or so people watching it (of which I was one) thought so too. That's one memorable example but it isn't a one off. If you spend more than a couple of games playing Spring against some decent players like the XHCs, WarCs or most of PRO on decent maps (which also make a big difference) then you'll see that there's more to the game than tech level 1. 2) i have played TA where i clicked like a machine at super speed but i still lost to someone who played smarter and clicked like they were contemplating a dank road apple. point is, that stat thing doesn't mean shit. so what if you right click left click a billion times or cycle group commands as fast as the keyboard can recognize it. if you won the fucking game you outplayed your opponent no matter how "fast they clicked" Maybe, but what you can do is analyse your opponent. You might have fewer commands per minute but more clicks and the other guy would have less clicks and more commands. If you're both evenly matched and the other guy wins and has significantly quicker reaction speeds, perhaps thats a hint? If you notice he can micro then he will probably have a much higher click rate. The fact that you lose to someone with a lower click rate probably means it was your strategy which you screwed up. You played badly, but clicked more. Thats about all there was to that game. So focus on your game, not your stats. Other stats you can see are graphs which show the size of each players force over time and their change in growth (whether positive or negative). Theres some other related ones, but I pick these two as an example so that you can look back and actually see how hard you hit him with that early flash rush. You can see if he fed you, or you fed him with wrecks because their rate of growth and intake will increase. There's more to it. 3) i'd rather be a good player in a small group FULL of good players than be a King amongst elbow lickers, ear biters, and gandalf. That's fine, personal choice.
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Post by Boostey on Sept 13, 2006 15:49:50 GMT -5
elbow lickers, ear biters, and gandalf. Genius
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Post by [NR]Quanto on Sept 14, 2006 0:19:36 GMT -5
3) i'd rather be a good player in a small group FULL of good players than be a King amongst elbow lickers, ear biters, and gandalf.
I wonder what he's gonna do with Supreme Commander, i doubt only 50 ppl will be playing that.
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Post by Boostey on Sept 14, 2006 14:11:36 GMT -5
The point is not how many people, its the people themselfs, i.e. retards.
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Post by PRO_-|[Muffy]|-_ on Sept 15, 2006 11:46:34 GMT -5
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Post by BLITZ_Molloy on Sept 15, 2006 13:32:57 GMT -5
elbow lickers, ear biters, and gandalf. Genius Now thats funny. The issue with gators at the moment isn't totally game breaking. It's like flash rushing in OTA. If somones killing you with flashes, you build flashes as well and out flash rush him. They'll tweak AK's and Gators next release and it'll sort things. That said, there's absolutely no point in mods like Absolute Annihilation. With OTA the balance is set in stone, so people just learn to work with what they have. With mods like Uberhack they get tweaked for 5 years, and aren't any nearer to good balance at the end of it. If you're wallying around with the stats all the time people don't learn to come up with proper counters to powerful units. They just wait until something gets nerfed. BTW, the clicks/stats stuff is bullshit. TA's end stats were far more indicative of the quality of player. Wasted resources tells you more about how you played than how many keyboard presses. At the moment, what Spring needs is more good players. As Muffy said when you get Daywalker, Noize, rANDY etc. playing 1vs1's on small maps things get really interesting. Problem is there are only a handful of these people, we need more TA pros. Unless you get a few of those guys you end up with gay ass big team games on choke point maps.
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Post by Boostey on Sept 15, 2006 14:45:37 GMT -5
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Post by TAG_Venom on Sept 16, 2006 7:47:05 GMT -5
Dreamwalker? Muffy? rANDY? What do you mean MORE TA pros? No pros will play it, because it's not TA, it's a sack of shit.
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Post by nakedsnake on Sept 17, 2006 15:39:13 GMT -5
How can a game be gay? Grow up.
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Post by retard0h on Sept 17, 2006 16:36:39 GMT -5
butt darts is a game, and you play it profusely newbie nigger
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Post by day on Sept 18, 2006 3:13:08 GMT -5
Ho-Ly-Shit
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Post by xshadowstar on Sept 18, 2006 6:25:59 GMT -5
ta spring owns you
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Post by Boostey on Sept 18, 2006 11:22:31 GMT -5
TA was and still is the best RTS ever made, why would we play a different/lesser game?
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